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asokanvvr |
war
Jun 15 2008, 7:44 AM EDT
WARMAN IS MORE WAR MONGERING THAN ANTS TOLD ONE HISTORIAN ONCE. REALLY ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD AT ANY CORNER SOME HUMAN BEING IS KILLING SOME OTHER HUMAN BEING FOR VARIOUS REASONS SAY CIVILIZATION,RELIGION,CASTE, COMMUNITY,LANGUAGE,LANDS NOW WATER. FOR EVERY SECOND SOME TEN TO FIFTEEN HUMAN LIVES ARE LOST FOR THESE REASONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. FOR SOME ARE WHITE AND SOME ARE BLACK, THEY ARE FIGHTING. A.WILLIAM IS KILLING B.WILLIAM SAYING THAT HE IS BLACK OR OTHERWISE. BOTH ARE CHRISTIANS BUT THEY FIGHT. SOME ARE SUNNI AND SOME ARE SIA BUT THEY FIGHT. MOHAMED IS KILLING AHAMED. BOTH ARE MUSLIMS BUT THEY FIGHT. CEYLON A VERY SMALL ISLAND. BUT THERE IS FIGHTING PERMANENT. DURING MOURIYA KING ASOKA'S INVASION THE KALINGAS (NOW ORISSA IN INDIA) MIGRATED TO THIS SMALL ISLAND. LATER DURING BRITTISH INVASION THE TAMILS (FROM INDIA) MIGRATED FOR LABOUR. BOTH ARE INDIANS BUT THEY FIGHT NOW. THE LANGUAGE SCRIPT OF ORIYA AND OF SINGHALA YOU CAN SEE SOME SIMILARITIES. SINGHALAS ARE HAVING SOME NAMES LIKE KANAGA SURIAR (GOLD SUN), UTHAYA SURIAR (RISING SUN) KANAGA RATHINAM (GOLD DIAMOND) AND TAMILS ARE HAVING SOME NAMES LIKE UTHAYA SURIAN (SAME MEANING) KANAGA RATHINAM. SO UTHAYA SURIAR IS KILLING UTHYA SURIAN. AN INDIAN IS KILLING ANOTHER INDIAN. IF THERE IS NO WAR IN CEYLONE THEY CAN FEED THE ENTIRE ASIA, THE LAND IS SO FERTILE. SAME CIVILIZATION BUT THEY FIGHT....... SAME RELIGION BUT THEY FIGHT........ SAME COLOUR BUT THEY FIGHT....... SAME CASTE BUT THEY FIGHT........ EVEN IN ANIMALS OR INSECTS THEY WILL NOT FIGHT IN SAME GROUP AND IF THEY ARE FIGHTING THEY WILL NOT GO UPTO THE LEVEL OF KILLING, SOME DEATH MAY OCCUR BUT THEY WILL BE ONLY AN ACCIDENT (NOT WITH A PURPOSE NOT WITH AN INTENTION). BUT HUMAN BEING ARE MORE WORST THAN THEM. MAN IS MORE WAR MONGERING THAN ANTS ONCE TOLD A HISTORIAN.....http://www.ashokha.co.cc 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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workman34 |
1. RE: war
Jun 15 2008, 11:39 AM EDT
Hi asokanvvr,What you have said is so true and so tragic. I pray that humans can evolve to a more spiritual attitude and stop all the petty fighting. But what will it take for this to happen? Can it happen? Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
2. RE: war
Jun 15 2008, 12:11 PM EDT
I have found the following quote in the Urantia Book.There is always the great danger that religion will become distorted and perverted into the pursuit of false goals, as when in times of war each contending nation prostitutes its religion into military propaganda. Loveless zeal is always harmful to religion, while persecution diverts the activities of religion into the achievement of some sociologic or theologic drive. Religion can be kept free from unholy secular alliances only by: 1. A critically corrective philosophy. 2. Freedom from all social, economic, and political alliances. 3. Creative, comforting, and love-expanding fellowships. 4. Progressive enhancement of spiritual insight and the appreciation of cosmic values. 5. Prevention of fanaticism by the compensations of the scientific mental attitude. Religionists, as a group, must never concern themselves with anything but religion, albeit any one such religionist, as an individual citizen, may become the outstanding leader of some social, economic, or political reconstruction movement. It is the business of religion to create, sustain, and inspire such a cosmic loyalty in the individual citizen as will direct him to the achievement of success in the advancement of all these difficult but desirable social services. Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
3. RE: war
Jun 15 2008, 12:27 PM EDT
I have also found the following in the Urantia Book."War is the natural state and heritage of evolving man; peace is the social yardstick measuring civilization's advancement. Before the partial socialization of the advancing races man was exceedingly individualistic, extremely suspicious, and unbelievably quarrelsome. Violence is the law of nature, hostility the automatic reaction of the children of nature, while war is but these same activities carried on collectively. And wherever and whenever the fabric of civilization becomes stressed by the complications of society's advancement, there is always an immediate and ruinous reversion to these early methods of violent adjustment of the irritations of human interassociations. War is an animalistic reaction to misunderstandings and irritations; peace attends upon the civilized solution of all such problems and difficulties. The Sangik races, together with the later deteriorated Adamites and Nodites, were all belligerent. The Andonites were early taught the golden rule, and, even today, their Eskimo descendants live very much by that code; custom is strong among them, and they are fairly free from violent antagonisms." Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
4. RE: war
Jun 15 2008, 12:31 PM EDT
War has had a certain evolutionary and selective value, but like slavery, it must sometime be abandoned as civilization slowly advances. Olden wars promoted travel and cultural intercourse; these ends are now better served by modern methods of transport and communication. Olden wars strengthened nations, but modern struggles disrupt civilized culture. Ancient warfare resulted in the decimation of inferior peoples; the net result of modern conflict is the selective destruction of the best human stocks. Early wars promoted organization and efficiency, but these have now become the aims of modern industry. During past ages war was a social ferment which pushed civilization forward; this result is now better attained by ambition and invention. Ancient warfare supported the concept of a God of battles, but modern man has been told that God is love. War has served many valuable purposes in the past, it has been an indispensable scaffolding in the building of civilization, but it is rapidly becoming culturally bankrupt--incapable of producing dividends of social gain in any way commensurate with the terrible losses attendant upon its invocation.At one time physicians believed in bloodletting as a cure for many diseases, but they have since discovered better remedies for most of these disorders. And so must the international bloodletting of war certainly give place to the discovery of better methods for curing the ills of nations. The nations of Urantia have already entered upon the gigantic struggle between nationalistic militarism and industrialism, and in many ways this conflict is analogous to the agelong struggle between the herder-hunter and the farmer. But if industrialism is to triumph over militarism, it must avoid the dangers which beset it. The perils of budding industry on Urantia are: Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
5. RE: war
Jun 15 2008, 12:32 PM EDT
1. The strong drift toward materialism, spiritual blindness.2. The worship of wealth-power, value distortion. 3. The vices of luxury, cultural immaturity. 4. The increasing dangers of indolence, service insensitivity. 5. The growth of undesirable racial softness, biologic deterioration. 6. The threat of standardized industrial slavery, personality stagnation. Labor is ennobling but drudgery is benumbing. Militarism is autocratic and cruel--savage. It promotes social organization among the conquerors but disintegrates the vanquished. Industrialism is more civilized and should be so carried on as to promote initiative and to encourage individualism. Society should in every way possible foster originality. Do not make the mistake of glorifying war; rather discern what it has done for society so that you may the more accurately visualize what its substitutes must provide in order to continue the advancement of civilization. And if such adequate substitutes are not provided, then you may be sure that war will long continue. Man will never accept peace as a normal mode of living until he has been thoroughly and repeatedly convinced that peace is best for his material welfare, and until society has wisely provided peaceful substitutes for the gratification of that inherent tendency periodically to let loose a collective drive designed to liberate those ever-accumulating emotions and energies belonging to the self-preservation reactions of the human species. Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
6. RE: war
Jun 15 2008, 12:34 PM EDT
But even in passing, war should be honored as the school of experience which compelled a race of arrogant individualists to submit themselves to highly concentrated authority--a chief executive. Old-fashioned war did select the innately great men for leadership, but modern war no longer does this. To discover leaders society must now turn to the conquests of peace: industry, science, and social achievement.
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joer1 |
7. RE: war
Jun 21 2008, 1:24 AM EDT
asokanvvr, May God be with you. Your vision and the You Tube you posted are excellent because they demonstrate the Truth of our error and puts the deaths (all of which are tragic and many premature and avoidable) into perspective. I also have something to share on the cause of war. Because if we recognize the cause on a worldwide scale and citizens and brothers and sisters of the world as Gandhi showed us one by one each with an individual decision to do what he or she can to defeat the cause of war in a unified non-violent action. Workman and all, Good to see you again! :-) I just returned from Oregon visiting my 81 year old aunt and nieces. asokanvvr, isn't family a lovely gift God has given us? :-) I like to share this on War and the conceptual ideas that will led it's eventual end someday on our earth. Religion makes it spiritually possible to realize the brotherhood of men, but it will require mankind government to regulate the social, economic, and political problems associated with such a goal of human happiness and efficiency. There shall be wars and rumors of wars—nation will rise against nation—just as long as the world's political sovereignty is divided up and unjustly held by a group of nation-states. England, Scotland, and Wales were always fighting each other until they gave up their respective sovereignties, reposing them in the United Kingdom. Another world war will teach the so-called sovereign nations to form some sort of federation, thus creating the machinery for preventing small wars, wars between the lesser nations. But global wars will go on until the government of mankind is created. Global sovereignty will prevent global wars—nothing else can. continued in next post. Do you find this valuable? |
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joer1 |
8. RE: war
Jun 21 2008, 1:27 AM EDT
The forty-eight American free states live together in peace. There are among the citizens of these forty-eight states all of the various nationalities and races that live in the ever-warring nations of Europe. These Americans represent almost all the religions and religious sects and cults of the whole wide world, and yet here in North America they live together in peace. And all this is made possible because these forty-eight states have surrendered their sovereignty and have abandoned all notions of the supposed rights of self-determination.It is not a question of armaments or disarmament. Neither does the question of conscription or voluntary military service enter into these problems of maintaining world-wide peace. If you take every form of modern mechanical armaments and all types of explosives away from strong nations, they will fight with fists, stones, and clubs as long as they cling to their delusions of the divine right of national sovereignty. War is not man's great and terrible disease; war is a symptom, a result. The real disease is the virus of national sovereignty. Earth nations have not possessed real sovereignty; they never have had a sovereignty which could protect them from the ravages and devastations of world wars. In the creation of the global government of mankind, the nations are not giving up sovereignty so much as they are actually creating a real, bona fide, and lasting world sovereignty which will henceforth be fully able to protect them from all war. Local affairs will be handled by local governments; national affairs, by national governments; international affairs will be administered by global government. World peace cannot be maintained by treaties, diplomacy, foreign policies, alliances, balances of power, or any other type of makeshift juggling with the sovereignties of nationalism. World law must come into being and must be enforced by world government—the sovereignty of all mankind. Next. Do you find this valuable? |
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joer1 |
9. RE: war
Jun 21 2008, 1:38 AM EDT
The individual will enjoy far more liberty under world government. Today, the citizens of the great powers are taxed, regulated, and controlled almost oppressively, and much of this present interference with individual liberties will vanish when the national governments are willing to trustee their sovereignty as regards international affairs into the hands of global government.Under global government the national groups will be afforded a real opportunity to realize and enjoy the personal liberties of genuine democracy. The fallacy of self-determination will be ended. With global regulation of money and trade will come the new era of world-wide peace. Soon may a global language evolve, and there will be at least some hope of sometime having a global religion—or religions with a global viewpoint. Collective security will never afford peace until the collectivity includes all mankind. The political sovereignty of representative mankind government will bring lasting peace on earth, and the spiritual brotherhood of man will forever insure good will among all men. And there is no other way whereby peace on earth and good will among men can be realized. asokanvvr I hope you find these ideas hopeful asokanvvr. As your post on this site gives me HOPE. Because it will begin with small numbers of forward thinking individuals with a hope and answers for establishing world peace. And one day there will be enough of us who see each others as brothers and sisters as God's Children to be able to implement and influence those leaders who will make the pivotal decisions to make peace. You can't image how I pray and work towards the election of Obama and the Hope he represents of working internationally towards Peace. And the relief I have in knowing that that War Monger Bush and His Greedy Texas Billionaires will have their political power reduced. I only hope we can make them make retributions for the damage they've done. Bless You! Do you find this valuable? |
