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joer1 |
How are we Saved?
May 8 2008, 10:24 AM EDT
I'm going to start doing a bible search on being saved. Here's some of the catagories I'm thinking about searching for Bible quotes for. You could subsititude Survive or Survival for "Being saved". What's happens when were saved? How are we saved? What do we have to do to be saved? How do we lose or forfiet being saved? etc. etc. The following are some of the questions whose answers I'll be looking for in the Bible. Does anyone know any Biblical quotes that relate to this questions? Thanks and God Bless You ALL. :-)1. God’s Love, Grace and Mercy allow all of us a chance to Survive. 2. God wants us to Survive. 3. What is needed to Survive? 4. What are other indicators and aspects of our Survival? 5. How to Survive. 6. How do you know you’re a Survivor? 7. What is it when Survivors Sleep? 8. What about a third day resurrection? How does that work? 9. What exactly survives after we die? 10. What do we remember after Survival? 11. What happens after Survival? 12. When is your Survival lost or in jeopardy? What happens? 13. Who adjudicates (participates in, judges and orders execution of) your survival or non-survival choice Do you find this valuable?
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workman34 |
1. RE: How are we Saved?
May 8 2008, 10:19 PM EDT
Hi joer1,Looks like I'm going to need to do some research to answer some of those questions. I think #7 has to do with being lukewarm in your faith or something like that but it escapes my memory. I think I'll have to dust off my "New World Translation" of the holy scriptures to look all this up. That particular bible has a very good index in the back to find just about any topic in the bible. Thanks joer1, this is a very engaging topic. Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: How are we Saved?
May 8 2008, 10:41 PM EDT
I think I'm way off on my last statement about the sleeping survivor. I was thinking about something totally different than ware I think your leading us. It has to do with survivor sleep after physical death waiting for the resurrection, I just haven't found that scripture yet.
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workman34 |
3. RE: How are we Saved?
May 8 2008, 11:42 PM EDT
1 Corinthians 1542 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. 50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." 55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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joer1 |
4. RE: How are we Saved?
May 9 2008, 5:50 AM EDT
This is good workman! Thanks a lot. It touches on a lot of those questions. Now I have to catagorize them. I like 51, because I've heard that some will be saved that sleep the sleep of death until a general resurection and others are saved who remain alive here on earh until there natural death and then move on. Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
5. RE: How are we Saved?
May 9 2008, 3:16 PM EDT
This is a great thread joer1,I hope the rest of the group will chime in and help answer all of these. Do you find this valuable? |
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joer1 |
6. RE: How are we Saved?
May 9 2008, 5:57 PM EDT
OK Workman. I got these catagozied a bit. I changed the resurrection question to fit the answer better. I need two posts to fit every thing in. :-)1. God’s Love, Grace and Mercy allow all of us a chance to Survive. 1 Corinthians 15 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2. God wants us to Survive. 3. What is needed to Survive. 1 Corinthians 15 50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 4. What are other indicators and aspects of our Survival. 1 Corinthians 15 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 5. How to Survive. 1 Corinthians 15 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 1 Corinthians 15 58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain 6. How do you know you’re a Survivor? 1 Corinthians 15 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: How are we Saved?
May 9 2008, 6:02 PM EDT
7. What is it when Survivors Sleep?1 Corinthians 15 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed 8. What about our own resurrection? How does that work? 1 Corinthians 15 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable 1 Corinthians 15 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power 1 Corinthians 15 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 9. What exactly survives after we die? 1 Corinthians 15 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. 10. What do we remember after Survival? 11. What happens after Survival? 1 Corinthians 15 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15 55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" 12. When is your Survival lost or in jeopardy? What happens? 1 Corinthians 15 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 13. Who adjudicates (participates in, judges and orders execution of) your survival or non-survival choice Thanks for your help workman. As I find more stuff I'll add it to the catagories. :-) This is a pretty important question. I mean the purpose of us being here is to figure this out. God wants us to amke an Eternal Choice to do His Will eternally and advance to being ONE with GOD. BUT HE CAN'T FORCE US TO. - FREE WILL!!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: How are we Saved?
May 10 2008, 2:19 AM EDT
I have another one for question 12.Revelation 3 To the Church in Sardis 1"To the angel[a] of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits[b]of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2.Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. 3.Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4.Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5.He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. 6.He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: How are we Saved?
May 10 2008, 2:21 AM EDT
To the Church in Laodicea14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15.I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16.So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17.You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18.I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19.Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20.Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21.To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22.He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
10. RE: How are we Saved?
May 10 2008, 2:30 AM EDT
I also found the following for question 1.1 John 2 1.My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2.He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for[a] the sins of the whole world. 3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4.The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5.But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[b] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6.Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 7.Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8.Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining. 9.Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 10.Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him[c] to make him stumble. 11.But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him. Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 10 2008, 8:29 PM EDT
(apologies regarding previous 'line' spacing, must be 'linux' incompatibility, anyone know how to edit ...)1901 ASV Revelation 3:6: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. 7: And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth and none shall shut, and that shutteth and none openeth: 8: I know thy works (behold, I have set before thee a door opened, which none can shut), that thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name. (Acts 2:38) 9: Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10: Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that `hour' which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11: I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown. 12: He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 10 2008, 8:30 PM EDT
1955 Urantia Book | 1430§1 | 130:2.3 While the eastern branch of the early Christian church, having its headquarters at Philadelphia, held more faithfully to the teachings of Jesus than did the Jerusalem brethren, it was regrettable that there was no one like Peter to go into China, or like Paul to enter India, where the spiritual soil was then so favorable for planting the seed of the new gospel of the kingdom. These very teachings of Jesus, as they were held by the Philadelphians, would have made just such an immediate and effective appeal to the minds of the spiritually hungry Asiatic peoples as did the preaching of Peter and Paul in the West.1955 Urantia Book | 1831§6 | 166:5.3 The Jews at Jerusalem had always had trouble with the Jews of Philadelphia. And after the death and resurrection of Jesus the Jerusalem church, of which James the Lord's brother was head, began to have serious difficulties with the Philadelphia congregation of believers. Abner became the head of the Philadelphia church, continuing as such until his death. And this estrangement with Jerusalem explains why nothing is heard of Abner and his work in the Gospel records of the New Testament. This feud between Jerusalem and Philadelphia lasted throughout the lifetimes of James and Abner and continued for some time after the destruction of Jerusalem. Philadelphia was really the headquarters of the early church in the south and east as Antioch was in the north and west. 1955 Urantia Book | 1849§7 | 168:5.3 Soon after this Martha and Mary disposed of their lands at Bethany and joined their brother in Perea. Meantime, Lazarus had become the treasurer of the church at Philadelphia. He became a strong supporter of Abner in his controversy with Paul and the Jerusalem church and ultimately died, when 67 years old, of the same sickness that carried him off when he was a younger man at Bethany. Do you find this valuable? |
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workman34 |
14. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 10 2008, 8:44 PM EDT
Thanks Kingbomwithin,I like that you have answered with both the UB and the Bible. Good research. I am so glad you joined us here. Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 11 2008, 1:28 AM EDT
Hi, Workman34. I have breen reading your posts to joer and you are doing a great job of finding the scriptures to answer his questions. This man is very interested in knowing God and underestanding the Bible. Way to go, joer1
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workman34 |
17. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 11 2008, 1:54 AM EDT
Thanks gramma_d2 for your compliments.I can only hope to be a dedicated as joer1 in finding and discovering the will of God. On this forum, I hope we all become teachers and students to each other in our quest for a better understanding of Gods will for each of us. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 11 2008, 2:41 AM EDT
I guess I will have to be your student. Workman knows that I am not very knowledgable about the Bible, but I am very eager to learn. I was telling him that growing up in Texas as a Catholic, we were never offered Bible studies. I guess this is why I always felt lost spiritually. I had no basis or foundation to base any beliefs. I always knew that God was there for me and my faith for him has always been strong. You all are very knowledgable and i know that you will all teach me alot. Looking forward to learning alot from you all. God bless you all.
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joer1 |
19. RE: re: kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com | Chruch of Philadelphia
May 11 2008, 4:23 AM EDT
Wow! This is good stuff! I've been gone today now it's about 1am Sunday and I'm just getting back. Got a posts to read and catching up yo do. Thanks workman and everybody! Gramma I am interested in knowing God and finding rich understandings in the Bible. It seems like the more I read and study siritual books the more I get out of it. I sure appreciate all the work workman is doing and worklady and Kingdom within's stuff is precious. He's come up with some excellent connections bewteen the Bible an dThe Urantia Book.God Bless all on this thread and this site. I got to get caught reading post and working these answers into my being saved outline. I figure finding our spiritual life an d chossing to follow it is probably the most important thing we can do while we're here on earth. I like the spirtual brotherhood and sisterhood here. Peace be with you all and thank you for the posts. :-) Do you find this valuable? |
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21. RE: Church of Philadelphia
May 11 2008, 5:35 AM EDT
(just got in, since delete functionality confirmed, please delete previous version again, before thread evolves too far, maybe too late to improve references, grateful to be of service and glad to contribute ...)Hi, Among the Seven Churches of Revelation, only the Church of Philadelphia escaped criticism through keeping 'his' word and 'not' denying 'his' name. (Acts 2:38) The lukewarm Church of Laodicea is both 'historical' record and current 'modern' archetype, for those with cyclical 'pattern' recognition to perceive. (UBRON 77841 | tek | 2005.11.27) From strictly 'christian' perspective, the lukewarm 'laodicean' church arrived in 1980's. Therefore, the 'urantia' book was a product of the brotherly 'philadelphia' church appearing in the early 1930's. But from broader 'interfaith' cycles, the 'laodicean' would be Muhammed's 'Islamic' divergence (622 A.D.) from the 'philadelphia' or 'Christianity' of Jesus, appearing in the 'first' century. (mid 20's A.D.) anointing your prophet within ... §FoGBoM | 1866§2 | 170:5.19 | the Kingdom of God is at Hand - the Kingdom of God is Within you | 195:10.4 | 2084§4 | kingdomwithin.org Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest - Denis Diderot (1713-1784) kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com 1955 Urantia Book | 2072§4 | 195:1.11 The Eastern version of the message of Jesus, notwithstanding that it remained more true to his teachings, continued to follow the uncompromising attitude of Abner. It never progressed as did the Hellenized version and was eventually lost in the Islamic movement. Do you find this valuable? |
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22. RE: Daniel's 'Great' Prophecy (1844)
May 11 2008, 8:56 AM EDT
thanks joer1 (and everyone following),At risk of sounding cryptic, I really want to stress that growth results from the journey connecting the dots and not discovering connected dots. But in order to demonstrate that I've likely forgotten more than I will ever learn again, and not making it up as I go along, I will share invaluable shortcuts. Correlate the 'great' expectation or disappointment (1844) with the emergence of progressive 'islamic' prophets, Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. Following the established archetype of Elija and Elisha, or John and Jesus, the Báb preceded Bahá'u'lláh (1844). Daniel's 'failed' prophecy, in this hemisphere, may have simply followed the established archetype of failing to be recognized. 1955 Urantia Book | 1071§1 | 97:8.3 ... Then Daniel presented the drama of the impending "crisis" - the smiting of the great image and the immediate establishment of the everlasting reign of righteousness, the Messianic kingdom. 1955 Urantia Book | 1071§2 | 97:8.4 And all of this false hope led to such a degree of racial disappointment and frustration that the leaders of the Jews were so confused they failed to recognize and accept the mission and ministry of a divine Son of Paradise when he presently came to them in the likeness of mortal flesh - incarnated as the Son of Man. anointing your prophet within ... §FoGBoM | 1866§2 | 170:5.19 | the Kingdom of God is at Hand - the Kingdom of God is Within you | 195:10.4 | 2084§4 | kingdomwithin.org Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest - Denis Diderot (1713-1784) kingdomwithin.wetpaint.com Do you find this valuable? |
