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gramma_d2 |
The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 18 2008, 2:36 AM EST
Jesus has been my Lord and Savior since I was 24 years old and I am 63 now. Me and my family haqve been through a lot. God was always there. I'm not saying solved all our problems but he gave us strength and grace to get through them and He is still faithful to us now even when we stray away from Him, He brings lovingly back to Himself.
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workman34 |
1. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 18 2008, 9:46 AM EST
How true,God has given us so many tools, One of those tools is the Bible. Kind of a guide book for getting threw life. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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workman34 |
2. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 18 2008, 9:48 AM EST
He has also given us each other for support.
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gramma_d2 |
3. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 18 2008, 11:59 PM EST
Workman34. I loved your answer to this one and it is so true.
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workman34 |
4. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 19 2008, 1:10 AM EST
I will probably need to put this in two post to get it all in. Thanks for the compliment. You may have been under the impression from other discussions that we have had in the past that, I no longer hold my beliefs with the bible. That is not entirely the case. I have thought very deeply on the matter and have studied the bible immensely, as have you. The books in the bible where assembled a long time ago. They used to be scrolls and any synagogue having a number of such scrolls would be extraordinary. There where no ancient religious synagogue possessing all the sacred writings. However, they where there for a primitive people with primitive minds. They where not able to understand complex concepts. Many profits presented there beliefs to the people in a manner that they could except at the time and even at that, it was very difficult. Humans where so superstitious in those times. Volcanoes and earthquakes where considered angry gods. Even the profits could not explain these phenomena. Moses taught his people that God was an angry God and vengeful. He did that to stop his people from worshiping falls idols. Wars where fought in Gods name to wipe out evil. The great flood of Noah's time killed every human on earth except Noah and his family. The old testament is full of how God was angry and punished the people on earth. It tells how God punished Adam and Eve, he cast them out of the garden and made womans labor more painfully and and man would live with this curse foe all time. The old testament says that they where tempted by the devil to eat from the tree of knowledge. Hew put the tree there? This seems to me to be a harsh punishment for eating fruit to say the least. But you see, people would not understand any thing less back then. The Old Testament did serve its purpose for those times. I know that the old testament to be mostly parables because of my belief that God is incapable of doing anything Ungodly. Could God kill and punish his children? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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workman34 |
5. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 19 2008, 1:11 AM EST
Part 2That would be an ungodly act in my belief. Now when Jesus came on the seen, he painted quit a different picture of the God that I love. And Jesus would know. He's Gods son. Jesus taught that God was a loving and kind God, a forgiving God. Remember, the God Jesus taught about was what got him nailed upon the cross. Jesus was trying to tell the world that God the father was not the God depicted in the old testament. It just was not called the old testament back then. If people can believe that God parted the red sea, and Jesus can raise the dead than why cant people believe that God could send down more truth to a world more advanced than in Jesus times? God created us to be a progressive people always moving forward. Wouldn't he want us to have more truth as we progressed enough to understand it? Do you find this valuable? |
worklady13 |
6. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 19 2008, 1:27 AM EST
I agree with you Workman, with all my heart and soul. God is a loving God. He sent his only begotten son to save us from our sins. I wish more people believed like we do, and maybe if we can get more people to join us here they will. God bless you and keep up the Great work. You are awesome!
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workman34 |
7. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 19 2008, 1:40 AM EST
Thanks Worklady13 for the kind words. Yes, it would be nice but more importantly is that people should always follow their hearts and make their own way in life. We can only hope that their way leads them to God which can be quite a different road than the one we have taken.
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gramma_d2 |
8. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 20 2008, 12:05 AM EST
Hey Workman34. Yes I agree that that God is a loving and compassioate God, but I also believe that He had to destroy the people of Noah,s time because they were evil and God cannot tolerate evil. He did not create it. Evil people sealed their own doom because they would not turn to Him. Only Noah and his family were righteous. Remember God gave the people of the earth 120 years to change their ways and they refused.
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workman34 |
9. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 20 2008, 1:04 AM EST
Thaw shall not kill. Would God break his own commandment? Killing is a human trait not a Godly trait.If God killed all life on earth except Noah and his family, why do we have so many different races, when did they spring up and how? If God gives us free will, why would he kill us when we exercise that free will? Why did Jesus come down to tech the confused religions of the world about a much kinder God than they believed him to be? The Hebrews believed that "without the shedding of blood there could be no remission of sin." They had not found deliverance from the old and pagan idea that the Gods could not be appeased except by the sight of blood, though Moses did make a distinct advance when he forbade human sacrifices and substituted therefor, in the primitive minds of his childlike Bedouin followers, the ceremonial sacrifice of animals. Jesus' concept--God as a living friend, a loving Father, the divine presence. It must therefore be evident that composite Christian theology encounters great difficulty in attaining consistency. This difficulty is further aggravated by the fact that the doctrines of early Christianity were generally based on the personal religious experience of three different persons: Philo of Alexandria, Jesus of Nazareth, and Paul of Tarsus. In the study of the religious life of Jesus, view him positively. Think not so much of his sinlessness as of his righteousness, his loving service. Jesus upstepped the passive love disclosed in the Hebrew concept of the heavenly Father to the higher active and creature-loving affection of a God who is the Father of every individual, even of the wrongdoer. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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happy-laborer |
10. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 20 2008, 2:01 PM EST
Hi gramma_d2,This is part 1 of 2: There is much truth behind the story of Noah and the flood. The story conveys a certain meaning concerning God and his spiritual kingdom. The story reveals that while God is patient in his dealings with mankind, his children who do not heed his admonitions to righteousness will eventually perish as a result of their refusal to find their spiritual life in the Heavenly Father. That is the real underlying meaning that we can derive from that story. But did the flood really happen; is the story intended to be a historical account of an actual event? Before we even consider an answer to that question we should first ask ourselves; if the story is a parable and not an actual account, would that change the truth that is revealed within that story? It really would not; the truth it contains is the pearl of great value, so therefore the question of whether the story is true or not becomes less important when once we have grasped its deeper meaning and discerned its real value. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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happy-laborer |
11. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 20 2008, 2:02 PM EST
Part 2 of 3:But before we conclude that God would move to destroy his unfaithful children, we should also consider how these things are done in our own families to better see God’s real attitude toward his rebellious children. It’s true that many good parents after years of laboring with a child who persists in rebelling against them may eventually come to see that they have done all that they can do for their child. At such a time after many attempts to call them to a better way of living, these good parents may have to resolve to finally close the door of their home to that child. But they do this with a heavy heart and with great sadness for their child. A good parent never holds a grudge against his or her child and neither would he or she desire for their destruction. Instead, a good parent continues to hope even in all their despair that someday the child will come to learn that there is a better way, and that he or she will find their home where they will all rejoice in such a happy event. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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happy-laborer |
12. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 20 2008, 2:03 PM EST
Part 3 of 3:I believe that this is also true in our Heavenly Father’s spiritual kingdom. Our Father is certainly more than anyone of us, so he is therefore an even greater parent than any of us could ever hope to be. His wisdom surpasses our understanding while his love is beyond measure. But in all of God’s greatness and strength we should never forget that while God is certainly more than a person, he is also nothing less. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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workman34 |
13. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 20 2008, 9:41 PM EST
Thanks for the post Happy-Laborer,I see your point, It's not so much a point if the flood actually took place, it's whether or not God would kill his children. I enjoyed your post, almost poetic I think. Thanks Gramma d2, You make a very powerful point as well, it was well received. Thank you Mom. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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gramma_d2 |
14. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 21 2008, 12:03 AM EST
Hi, Workman34.I respect your opinion on the way that you feel about God and that he is a loving and kind God, but He is also a just God and cannot tolereate evil. And Yes He cares deeply for His children and it hurts Him deeply when we refuse to turn away from evil. Do you find this valuable? |
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gramma_d2 |
15. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 21 2008, 12:07 AM EST
Hi, happy-laborer. It's good to hear from you. You make many good points and I enjoyed them very much. I must tell you that I belive that every word of the Bivle is true. Things were different in the Old Testament Because Jesus had not yet died for our sins.
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gramma_d2 |
16. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 21 2008, 12:09 AM EST
Thank you Workman34 for the compliment. You are doing some good work here. Making us think, for one thing.
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gramma_d2 |
17. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 21 2008, 12:12 AM EST
Hi, worklady13. It is good to see your postings here. You are a loving person and yes that is an important verse to remember. John 3:16. Whatr a loving God we have.
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worklady13 |
18. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 21 2008, 1:00 AM EST
Hi gramma d2,Thank you for your kind words. You are a very loving person to, and I am glad that we are all here to help each other better understand the love God has for all of us, and to follow in his teachings. We know that he loves us and we should thank him every day for his love, compassion and patience with us, his children. I thank him every morning for giving me another day of life. I thank him for everything he has bestowed upon us. All the beauty of nature and life.I thank him for guiding me in the right path to finding truth. He is my Father and I have absolute faith in his love. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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workman34 |
19. RE: The Lord Jesus Christ
Feb 21 2008, 1:14 AM EST
I believe that God has always been a forgiving God. He sent Jesus down to tell us those things. Spreading the good news of the kingdom was one of his missions hear on earth. If man already new the Good news of the kingdom from the scriptures (old testament) why did he need to preach about it. It was the believers in the old law that hung him on the cross for spreading blasphemy. If Jesus was willing to go threw all that for us, why are we still cleaning to the old laws? Also, in my previous posts, I asked a number of questions. You see, I was not being sarcastic by asking them. I was looking for reel answers. Whey back when I still considered myself a Christian I asked those questions and I got pretty much the same response as you gave me. I might be more willing to except answers to those questions if some one would answer them from the scriptures and not from their indoctrination of their currant religion. I know you to be an intelligent women mom, and I'm sure you did not subscribe to your beliefs just because some one told you to. Some one had to show you the answers to the same questions that I have in order for you to believe. God wants us to have faith learned from his word the bible, not just blind faith because some one said so. Don't you think I want those same answers so I can feel the same faith that you do? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
